You know, I never knew much about Andrew Tate until I dug in for a story about some young boys in Florida who proclaimed their admiration for him while chanting, "Fuck the women."

We're talking 11 to 13 year olds who were at a professional baseball game wearing expensive clothing and looking quite upper middle class.

I wrote the story because of some quite extremist homophobia that was also going on with that incident. The kids also chanted "Kill the gays," or something quite similar. I can't remember exactly.

But that brings to mind ... we gay men know we can never meet manhood expectations. We are excluded from the club pretty much a priori, no matter how we present or behave.

Nonetheless, some of us still try, with results that can be spectacularly negative for everyone involved.

Some say that might be changing, that a very heteronormative, masculinized, patriarchal version of homosexuality could become socially acceptable and "normal."

I very much hope that never happens.